Hulk Hogan at Mania.

["Sick" Billy Kryenik]

kvhelden said:

Goldust Vs Hogan would be great.

*snore*

That would go down as the worst match in the history of wrestling. Goldust would be touching himself, and Hogan would be doing poses the whole time. If i wanted that, i'd watch soft core porn. The fact of the matter is, Hogan = garbage.

[kvhelden]

The build up could be great, the ability to get the crowd chanting and pumped up at the trademark Hogan spots. I think a good match would be out of the question as not even HBK could carry Hogan to a good match.

However if they kept it simple it would be alright. Nostalgia for you!

[sidbiafra]

The WWE is inherantly gay these days. What they need to do is get rid of everyone who has been in the company for longer then 8 years. Let some new guys in, and then totally revamp the way they do things.

[kvhelden]

No, because they can't carry the company.

Take a look at TNA, their homegrowns can't do it, so they're bringing in the older bigger names (cough hasbeens)

[Stylin' Kyle Roberts [REBEL]]

I think I can count the number of WWE talent on the active roster that's been with the company in the past eight years on one hand:

Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, and Bradshaw.

Sure, Triple H was pissing me off when he was the unbeatable World Champion with his 20 minute promos that said the same thing, but he's definitely capable of bringing out good matches these days (see HHH/Chavo from this week's RAW) and he's easily bearable if his huge shnozz isn't RAW's main attraction.

I've been saying Taker should retire since he became the Bikertaker.

Otherwise, though? I like JBL's role on SD! (other than jobbing to the Boogeyman. What's up wit' dat?) and Shawn Michaels is still gold.

So there's still a place for the veterans on the WWE roster.

["Sick" Billy Kryenik]

yeah his Job to Boogeyman was weird.

I know they need to make him look like he doesnt get hurt, as he is supposed to be what we all fear, but honestly, JBL is a workhorse. The guys tough as nails too.

I've always liked his rough style, even back when he was Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw in the 90's.

I think if i were to choose any former wwe superstar to come back and fight at wrestlemania, it'd be...

Dynamite Kid vs Chris Benoit - if only Dynamite wasn't a cripple! Poor Dynamite!

[Ryan Ro [NAPW]]

I disagree that TNA 'needs' outside stars. The problem is more so that the main event booking in the company has been about Planet Jarrett at the expense of everybody else.

Raven, AJ Styles, Chris Daniels, Abyss, Monty Brown could easily be the main event draws, but teach one has been squashed and had their momentum stolen by Jarrett. He's worse than Triple H. At least Trip can GO in the ring.

[travelli]

Lets be honest with ourselves TNA is a joke and only has two wrestlers in which arent has beens or nobodys.

And these are AJ Styles and Samoa Joe.

Everyone else are just people in which the WWE dont want anymore or never wanted.

TNA is a minnow in comapirison to WWE. Think about all the star power WWE has and the farmed superstar WWE has. Im talking people like Angle, HBK, Taker, HHH, JBL, Benoit, BOOKER, RVD, KANE, SHOW.

thenwe got the up and coimng farmed talent. CENA, BATISTA, ORTON, BENJAMIN, CARLITO, MASTERS, KENNEDY.

and these are just a couple I could think off the top of my head so if you dare think that the Jeff Jarrett super show is better than WWE then Ill come round your house and cut your teeth out, Capeesh!

[Stylin' Kyle Roberts [REBEL]]

There are quite a few wrestlers I like in TNA:

Styles, Chris Daniels, Chris Sabin, Frankie Kazarian...

I think when it comes to their homegrown X-Division stars, they really did a good job of combing the indies...

[Static]

travelli said:

Lets be honest with ourselves TNA is a joke and only has two wrestlers in which arent has beens or nobodys.

And these are AJ Styles and Samoa Joe.

Everyone else are just people in which the WWE dont want anymore or never wanted.

TNA is a minnow in comapirison to WWE. Think about all the star power WWE has and the farmed superstar WWE has. Im talking people like Angle, HBK, Taker, HHH, JBL, Benoit, BOOKER, RVD, KANE, SHOW.

thenwe got the up and coimng farmed talent. CENA, BATISTA, ORTON, BENJAMIN, CARLITO, MASTERS, KENNEDY.

and these are just a couple I could think off the top of my head so if you dare think that the Jeff Jarrett super show is better than WWE then Ill come round your house and cut your teeth out, Capeesh!

yeah, uh, well put.

in the mid-90s, wwf has bret hart, owen hart, davey boy, luger, taker, nash, jarrett, goldust, hbk, scott hall, the steiner bros., raven, naitch, lod, hhh, sid vicious, x-pac... with a good "farm system" (not at all an accurate metaphor in wrestling's case, but whatev) and still sucked. talent, big names, whatever, doesn't equal success.

["Sick" Billy Kryenik]

jago said:

There are quite a few wrestlers I like in TNA:

Styles, Chris Daniels, Chris Sabin, Frankie Kazarian...

I think when it comes to their homegrown X-Division stars, they really did a good job of combing the indies...

hells yes they did. TNA is innovative with the X-division lie WCW was with the cruiserweight division.

Maybe it doesn't have the best angles or gimmicks, but they're wrestling is really good.

[travelli]

Errrrrr but rating are everything and WWE are scoring 3. sumthings at the mo TNA are scoriing 0.Sumthing.

And as its all fantasy that all that matters.

ANd common the quality is much better in wwe.

And back to statics post there was rarely a time when wwe had all those wrestlers active at the same time. this was during the monday night war period if you remember and many were being stolen by wcw.

The WWE roster at the moment is probably the strongest roster ever created by a company. Its such as good roster that they are falsed to divide into two to give there stars a chance.

And too be honest another reson im not a tna is because the matches drag on forever. I hate watching oldies and nobodies face each other for like at least 15 minutes a match.

And having no decent storylines is really holidng the company bk. When you think about it when WWE and WCW were having there hayhadys it was mainly due to there storylines.

WCW were hitting there highest ratings when hogan turned heel and helped form the NWO.

And WWE were best during the attitude Era during Vince vs Austin.

Those angles were purely storyline.

[Static]

travelli said:

And back to statics post there was rarely a time when wwe had all those wrestlers active at the same time. this was during the monday night war period if you remember and many were being stolen by wcw.

The WWE roster at the moment is probably the strongest roster ever created by a company. Its such as good roster that they are falsed to divide into two to give there stars a chance.

you missed the entire point of my post. it does not matter that the wwe roster is the strongest roster ever created by a company (probably not, nwo-era wcw anyone?) because the wwe storylines suck. they suck, suck, suck.

let's forget about tna for a second, because i don't even watch that or care about it."up and coming farm talent" like cena, batista, benjamin, and masters doesn't mean anything if they're not brought along properly. cena's losing heat rapidly and is a boring character. batista and orton are boring. benjamin's angle is stupid. kennedy isn't part of this discussion. masters and carlito are the only ones who, at the moment, have promise to carry the company. they just don't create new stars, and they rarely come up with decent storylines.

hell, perfect example of wwe silliness: flair's got the ic belt right now. why aren't carlito, masters, benjamin, eugene, helms, etc, fighting for it? nonsense.

[D!]

travelli said:

ANd common the quality is much better in wwe.

I don't think that statement is accurate. I mean, yes, you've got the occasional Angle / Michaels, but you've also got Boogeyman / JBL. TNA is slightly more consistent with their product.

The WWE roster at the moment is probably the strongest roster ever created by a company. Its such as good roster that they are falsed to divide into two to give there stars a chance.

'Cause we could never have IC champ Flair and World Tag Team Champs Kane & Big Show otherwise.[/sarcasm]

They've had four, five years with the Brand Extension, and the only bonafide major star they've created was Brock Lesnar. When Orton loses to 'Taker in the cell and Greg Helms loses to Jerry Lawler, how are they being given a chance? Do Undertaker or Lawler really need a win at this point?

And too be honest another reson im not a tna is because the matches drag on forever. I hate watching oldies and nobodies face each other for like at least 15 minutes a match.

And here I thought TNA's matches were ungodly short because of their one-hour TV time.

Really, here's where the damn problem is, Travelli. This is the point in your argument where it all goes south. You keep insisting on calling TNA Superstars nobodies . . . why? Who's deciding that they're nobodies? You? Christopher Daniels, Chris Sabin, all of these guys with rabid, rabid followings, and can do more in a match than Cena or Masters can do in a month, and you shit on them because they're not on the show that you want to watch.

Both companies, WWE and TNA, have guys on their roster that are amazing and guys that, well, aren't. But other than give guarded props to Styles and Joe (or face being kicked off of the whole internet ) you casually dismiss great workers as "nobodies", as if everybody on RAW or Smackdown! were "somebodies". Would I be wrong in assuming that if, say, Abyss showed up on RAW on Monday, that he'd make it off of your "nobody" list and onto your power list?

Those angles were purely storyline.

Unlike those other angles.

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admin said:

I disagree that TNA 'needs' outside stars. The problem is more so that the main event booking in the company has been about Planet Jarrett at the expense of everybody else.

Raven, AJ Styles, Chris Daniels, Abyss, Monty Brown could easily be the main event draws, but teach one has been squashed and had their momentum stolen by Jarrett. He's worse than Triple H. At least Trip can GO in the ring.

I have to disagree with some of this post.

I don't think Jarrett is to blame, I think it's just the writing team in general. They seem to be going after something new which won't work. The storylines are simple and the "face-heel" concept doesn't seem to be established in TNA. Partly the bookers fault and partly the fans for not "dumbing down".

As for the wrestlers you listed. I don't think any of them could carry TNA.

AJ Styles - Old news if you ask me. I've seen some indy guys who could do 10 x the high flying spots that made him famous. I know of people who have a better in ring psychology than AJ, wrestlers that could out promo him, wrestlers that don't botch on a regular basis like he does. There is so much better than AJ.

Chris Daniels - He can wrestle ok, but he doesn't seem to follow his gimmick any more, can't cut a good promo and gets to much crowd appreciation to be a heel. Just like to point out, booking him against Petey Williams is just a ghastly way of trying to make him more heel when he captured the X title.

Raven - Sloppy in the ring and cuts same old same old promos, which to me are a bit cheesey as well.

Abyss - Not as big as they say he is size wise. Can't really tell a story, and has to many followers to be heel. That, and the fact he looks like a complete joke.

Monty Brown - Now maybe in the future he could. Promos are ace, has the look, has the in-ring "fire" but plays a shit heel, a bit inexperienced and a pants finnisher.

I don't like Jarrett as the TNA-HHH, he's small, old, not in a good shape. Wrestles a "chin lock, stomp" match and is kinda a second rate Flair/HHH. Promos are dull as well as angles.

If I could restart TNA, then Brown and Harris would be my top heavyweights.